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From: "Bill Stoddard" <bill@wstoddard.com>
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> On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote:
> --]How likely are you to change someone's mind by being
> --]rude and disrespectful to them? Is this how to win friends and
> influence
> --]people?
>
> Point the first, I doubt if they are trying to change Rumsy's mind but
> rather to show others that there is a vocal and violent opposition to his
> views. With such flagrant showings of opposition there would be more
> coverage of the opposing ideas and thus the spreading of the dissenting
> meme. A viri need not comply with the wishes of the attacked host, rather
> the host had better make some antibodies or learn to adapt.
>
> Point the second. Historicaly the "in yer face" mode of confrontation has
> been used to gain popular support and to grow from seeds "grass roots"
> movements. Witness the big bold "in yer face" signature of Hancock on the
> "in yer  face" Declaration of the american colonies to the governing
> powers of england. Witness also the chicago seven, Others will follow in
> examplare  form upon digging.
>
> Now point the third, is it annoying? Yes, and if your annoyed then the "in
> yer facers" have done thier job. Sad to say the polite persnikiters are
> teh very fule the "in yer facers" hope to ignite. If your burning, your
> being used.
>
> Pointed the personal...The politics of the polite are more often the
> refuge of backstabings,  closed mouth recourlessness and hypocritcal
> behavoirs. Id rather hear what those who oppose me have to say than
> quietly be knifed by the slow hand of the coward.
>
>
>
> Seek not the polite or impolite but rather the reasons why.
>
>
> -tom

Good points all but they don't apply in this case.  Someone is speaking and
a group of selfish bastards only interested in getting their rocks off are
trying to shout him down (they are doing it because 'it's good for the
soul'. Kind like Chuckie Manson doing the stuff he did cause 'it was good
for his soul'). Unprincipled and evil. It's got nothing to do with throwing
tea in the harbor or the DoI.

Bill


